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8th
Aviation Battalion
8th Infantry Division (Mech)
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personnel assigned to or associated with the U.S. Army
in Germany from 1945 to 1989. If you have any
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| 8th
Aviation Company |
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8th Aviation
Company Pocket Patch |
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(Source: Special Organization Day 1960 Issue of the ARROW, 8th Inf Div newspaper. July 1, 1960)
8th Aviation Company
In the three years since the activation of the 8th Aviation Company, the unit has proved to be one of the most versatile in the 8th Div. Composed of nearly 300 officers and enlisted men, the Aviation Company provides the 8th Inf Div with the varied capabilities of mobility, command control, communications observation, and target acquisition. In addition, the company has a limited capability to airlift troops and provide medical evacuation. |
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An 8th Avn Co L-20 makes a maximum performance take-off during the recently held Army Aviation Trials at Heidelberg
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The nerve center of the 8th Avn Co, commanded by Maj Frederick B. Franklin, is the Operations Section, all flight requests and scheduling flights in order that the Division may get maximum utilization of it's aircraft. The section is also responsible for scheduling pilots for the continuous training required to keep them fully proficient in the many varied tactical flying missions such as wire laying, paradrop methods, short field techniques and armed helicopter techniques.
Ground commanders in forward positions receive aviation support Irom the Direct Support Platoon to assist in accomplishing their mission. It is from within this platoon that the Aviation Company renders support to Division artillery units with conduct of fire and battlefield observation missions. The 8th Avn Co maintains the artillery flight at the DivArty airfield to provide greater flexibility and responsiveness as well as to more closely coordinate with the DivArty commander.
Command, liason, courier, and utility capabilities are provided by the General Support Platoon. Consisting of fixed and rotary wing tactical support flights, the general support platoon is truly able to take the commander any place at any time. In addition, the general support platoon contains a utility and transport section with the functions of limited resupply and taking patrols on long range probing missions.
The Service Platoon, giving the Aviation Company organizational maintenance parts, and other aircraft services is located at Hoppstätten Airfield. Through the efforts of this platoon, the company is able to maintain a high availability of aircraft in spite of the many missions flown by the company's aircraft.
Providing the unit with its combat surveillance capability is the Aerial Surveillance Platoon. Keeping up with the trends in today's modern Army, the platoon is equipped with the latest in equipment to provide combat intelligence to the battlefield commander. Through the use of the Drone surveillance system, the Aviation Company can penetrate deep into enemy territory and bring back vital intelligence information. |
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| (Source: Email
from Charles "Chuck" Griswold, 8th Avn Det) |
I was originally
stationed at Bad Kreuznach (NOTE: possibly at the 8th Avn Co)
then almost immediately reassigned to Coleman Barracks, Manheim (NOTE:
maybe a detachment of the 8th Avn Co). I believe it was early spring
of 1958. We had a hanger near the gas dump on the east end of the
runway. I was crew chief on H-13's and, when I first got there, the
CO was Capt.C. Maddox; later Lt J. Heilman. We had one H-13, a L-19
and a 3/4-ton truck and trailer.
Anderson was the L-19 crew chief; Filkins was a crew chief/gofer and
Greenberg was the radio operater. We supported the 8th Infantry Division.
In the same hanger the 245 Cav Aviation (NOTE: probably the
245th Trans Co (Army Acft Hv Maint & Sup)) unit had an L-19 and
an L-20.
We bunked in with the 245 Cav as I remember. We didn't have to stand
inspections nor pull KP which didn't sit well with the rest of 245th
guys. We were there for well over 2 years and I remember some of our
guys went to Africa to find the remains of the B17 crew that was lost
in the Sahara. I think it was the crew of the "Lucky Lady."
They had a very crude way of ground navigation and as I remember they
found all of the remains. I really wanted to go on that mission. Greenberg
went with a tall West Point Lt. Can't remember his name but the story
was written up in Life Magazine.
We were involved in Operation Winter Shield. I believe it was
the first time H-13s had guns mounted on them. I flew right seat and
operated the elevation and cocking levers. After a few missions they
decided that guns on helicopters, at least the way we were set up,
didn't make good sense.
We did a flour bag bombing mission and dropped one through the mess
tent. That was a bad mistake. I remember one night we got a bad batch
of stew. All night long you could hear guys running bare foot in the
snow through the compound looking for a place to get rid of the food.
I was a lucky one.
We had a flying club and an old J-3 Cub.We had a couple of WOs and
3 or 4 EMs. R. Law was a A&P and we rebuilt the Cub. Had a lot of
fun flying it around Germany. Ran into one of the guys that was in
the club a few years ago, D .Pepper, he was flying jumpers out of
California City where I fly gliders. Haven't heard from anyone else.
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| (Source: Email from
Rudy Bruno) |
I was a Spec. 5 with the 8th Aviation Co. at the air field in Hoppstätten Germany from December 6, 1957 to
April 1959. We had 2 hangers, a motor pool, mess hall, one runway, one building which housed our quarters, operations commo shack etc.
We had H-13s, H-19s, L-19s, L-20s and U-1 as. At some time in 1958 we were transferred to Rose Barracks in Bad Kreuznach (still with 8th Avn Co.)
I was a radio communications chief and also in charge of the repair section. I was in charge of the CW radio operators and repairs. We repaired the field radios, unofficially some aircraft electronics and the Link trainer. Our commanding officer was Major Oliver V. Norman, who was also a pilot. Our platoon Sgt. was Harry Schultz. Communications officer was Lt. Chuck Snavely from N.J. He was replaced by Lt. Rudolph Pick, lt. Pick either came from Mannheim or one of the other five fields assigned to the 8th.Avn. Co. during the 1957-1959 period.
It was good to find this web site, I have been trying to get some information about the 8th Aviation Co. but could only find 8th Avn. Bn. info. |
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| (Source: Email from Rodrigo
Gebhard, Germany) |
I took these three photos of 8th Infantry Division aircraft at Bad Kreuznach AAF when I was a boy. I used to drive by the airfield to check out the aircraft. The photos were taken in the 1959-61 timeframe. |
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1. H-13E (KB)
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2. L-19 (KB)
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3. UH-1D (KB)
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| 8th
Aviation Battalion (Cbt) |
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| 1963-67 |
8th Aviation Bn DUI |
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| (Source: Email from Hugh W. Morgan, Co B, 8th Sig Bn & S-2, 8th Avn Bn) |
Attached is a copy of the Activation Day pamphlet that was used when the 8th Aviation Company was reorganized into the 8th Aviation Battalion. The 8th Aviation Company was based at Bad Kreuznach, but the Battalion was organized and activated at Finthen.
I am listed on the last page as “S-2 Capt H. Morgan.”
I was serving a ground duty tour as CO of Company B, 8th Signal Battalion, 8th Infantry Division in Bad Kreuznach. When the Aviation Battalion was organized I was assigned as the S-2 of the Aviation Battalion. |

1. Cover |

2. Unit History (KB) |

3. Officers (KB) |
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| (Source: Email from Joe Hueber, 8th Avn Bn; D Trp and HQ Trp, 3rd Sq, 8th Cav, 1966-68) |
I served with the 8th Div. from July 66 until Jan 68. I was originally assigned to the 8th Aviation Battalion at Finthen, living on the top floor of the old farmhouse there. One night after having just arrived, I was 17 and an RA, some of the US guys got a little drunk because they were "short timers" and came up and tied me and another guy to our bunks and then put the bunks out the window on the roof. The OD and Sgt of the Guard pulled us back in.
That was a fixed wing unit and I was a helicopter mech (67M10? 20?) and they only had a sorry looking CH-34 Choktaw, that since I was the skinniest guy (kid) there I had the distinct displeasure of greasing the rear rotor drive shaft bearings that went up the tail to the rear rotor. My arm was covered with grease every day.
They eventually reassigned me to "D" Troop of the 3rd Squadron, 8th Cav at Mannheim-Sandhofen (OCS - Old Coleman Stockade). We had a number of helicopter there but that number seemed to dwindle as WO's returning from 'Nam crashed them.
I became surplus to their needs and was reassigned to "HQ" Troop 3/8 where I learned Commo stuff and how to drive a 'trac'. Came in very handy when I was sent to Viet Nam and became a radio op in an Engineer Battalion, instead of a door gunner.
Had many wonderful "growing up" experiences (which I won't go into here) while serving in Germany with some pretty good guys. A few names I remember are James "Creech" Rascoe, Lloyd McGinley, Jim Asplundh, and Lt. Lyman J. McQuade or McCain, or something like that, Hal Beveridge, who was our Conscientious Objector, went AWOL a few times to get out of the Army, played in a band somewhere, Phil Katsis from Calif., Phil went to 'Nam as a LRRP.
I was transferred back to Finthen in late 67, living in the hanger this time, it was still the 8th Aviation Battalion then. Shortly thereafter, I was sent to beautiful SE Asia for the remainder of my enlistment, and lived to tell about it.
Joseph Hueber |
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Doug Hoffman, B Co, 8th Avn Bn) |
I was stationed at Finthen Army Airfield from April 1980 to September 1981.
I was a crewchief on an AH-1S Cobra (70-16103 if I remember right) in the
3rd Flight Platoon. We had three flight platoons in "B" Company, each with 7
AH-1S Cobras and 4 OH-58 Kiowas. Of course there was also a maintenance
platoon, as well as headquarters platoon. 25+ years have passed, so my
recollection of the unit structure is not the best. Our CO was Major
Bennett for most of my stay there. I don't recall the CO's name who
followed him.
We worked out of a small building on the flightline that we referred to as
the flight shack. Our barracks were across the road from the flightline.
In addition to "B" Co, there was "C" Company, another attack helicopter company,
and "D" Company, the maintenance company. "A" Company had a small detachment of
OH-58's at Finthen, but the main part of that unit was at Bad Kreuznach.
There was also a Chinook unit at the airfield, 205th Avn.
Names of some of the people I worked with:
SFC Gunning - 3rd Flight Platoon Seargeant
CPT Reicheldorfer - 3rd Flight Platoon Leader
SGT John Daniels - 1st Flt AH-1S Crewchief
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SP4 Brown, SP4 Dave Perry, SP4 Steve Janicki, SP4 Jimmy Martinez, PFC
Carpenter, SGT Mark Colton, SGT Jim Douglas, SGT Guy Oiler - all AH-1 or
OH-58 crewchiefs. Many other faces whose names escape me at the moment.
We spent a good amount of time in the field, going to Grafenwoehr,
Hohensfel, RAF Greenham Common, and various un-named farm fields that we
used as LZ's.
I enjoyed my stay at Finthen, and loved Germany. We spent plenty of time at
some of the local Gasthaus's in Finthen. The towns people were very
friendly. The airfield was the sight of some car races a couple of times a
year, so we would fly our aircraft over to Wiesbaden AFB while the races
took place. We had to do the same when the Pope came to Germany and used
the airfield to speak to a massive crowd. Many stories to tell of our high
jinks, but everyone has some of those and mine are probably no different.
Suffice it to say that I have many fond memories of my year and a half at
Finthen Army Airfield.
I ETS'd out of Finthen, then realized how much I missed Army Aviation, and
joined the Army National Guard a few years later in the States. Recently
retired from the Guard, wishing I was still in... |
B Co, 8th Avn Bn
Finthen AAF |
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1. Doug Hoffman and his AH-1 Cobra (KB)
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2. AH-1 Cobra (KB)
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8th Infantry Division (Mechanized) Welcome Pamphlet, early 1980s) |
8th
Aviation Battalion (Combat)
The mission of the 8th Aviation Battalion (Combat) is to destroy enemy
armored and mechanized forces by aerial combat power, using fire and
maneuver as an integral part of the combined arms team during offensive,
defensive, and retrograde operations.
The battalion was activated on 21 September 1978 at Finthen Army Airfield.
It has five companies and 116 helicopters. The battalion has two Attack
Companies, a Combat Support Company, and an Aviation Intermediate
Maintenance Company (AVIM). The battalion headquarters and the attack
and maintenance companies are located at Finthen Army Airfield. The
Combat Support Company is located at Bad Kreuznach and Baumholder
Army Airfields. |

A UH-1 of the 8th Avn Bn flies over a maneuver area
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The Combat Support Company, with 41 aircraft, is the largest
company in the battalion. Its mission is to support the divisional
brigades, the Division Support Command, Division Artillery and
the division command group and staff.
The two attack companies, with 42 AH-1S Cobra/Tow, 6 UH-1 Utility,
and 28 OH-58 observation helicopters, give the division a highly
mobile and flexible anti-armor capability. The OH58's and Cobras
work as teams, using Nap of the Earth flight techniques. The
division's anti-armor capability is greatly increased with the
highly maneuverable asset when integrated with armor and infantry.
The Aviation Intermediate Maintenance Company insures that all
the aircraft are mechanically combat ready to perform the many
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| (Source: Email from Lamont Silves, Pathfinder Team, 1984-85) |
I came across your website today and thought I'd quickly add to what you have. I served in the 8th ID from March 1984 to October 1985. I came to the division as part of a mandatory rotation of soldiers out of the 82nd ABN DIV that had participated in the Grenada invasion. We were told the army wanted to spread our recent combat experience around other units of the army. The luck of the draw sent me to the 1/13 Inf BN at Baumholder.
In November of 1984, I was offered a position on the 8th ID Pathfinder Team, attached to the 8th Aviation BN in Bad Kreuznach. The Pathfinder Team was a small but very high-performing team with all of our soldiers being airborne qualified and with most having Ranger, Special Forces or combat experience. At one point, all were at least sergeants or promotable soldiers. We were attached to the the UH-1H (Huey) company based in Bad Kreuznach.
Most of our missions involved training division units in air assault tactics and sling loading of equipment using the battalion's UH-60 and UH-1H helicopters. This was typical of most Pathfinder teams attached to heavy infantry units. The closest similar unit was the V Corps Pathfinder Team in Wiesbaden.
We organized some interesting training -- mainly through our own efforts. Several of our guys attended Foreign Legion-led French Commando School near Alsace, France, and we trained occasionally with the Belgian and German airborne forces. Through a two-week 8th Aviation BN mission to train the Luxembourg Armee in late 1984, we also became very close with several of their NCOs and often visited each other. One of their sergeants, Claude Pffeffer, showed up unannounced on Christmas Eve 1984 for a two week vacation in our barracks. (Explaining to the First Sergeant the presence of a foreign soldier in our barracks was an interesting job!) Claude was a HUGE fan of American culture and drove the only Chevy I saw in Europe, an early 80s Chevy four-door car. He wore cowboy boots, was passionate about country and western music, and spoke great English. When I casually invited him to "come visit sometime" he took me at my word.
I lost touch with the members of the team a few months after coming back to the States and have never learned what happened after I left. Several years later the airfield was turned back over to the Germans and I visited the kaserne in 1993 while on a business trip to Frankfurt. It was spooky to walk streets filled with Germans that just a few short years earlier had been an oasis of Americana. Funny how quickly things change. It would be interesting to hear the perspective now of the Germans that we worked and lived with in Bad Kreuznach. Do they remember or miss the GIs?
Thanks for taking the time to put together the website. I enjoyed reading about the division where I spent nearly two years of my young life.
Lamont Silves
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| I found some additional photos of the 8th Infantry Division at Bad Kreuznach. These were taken during an "Tag der Offenen Tür" (Open House) at Kuhberg (Training Area) in June 1975. |
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1. OH-58 Kiowa (KB)
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2. AH-1G (KB)
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3. M-163 Vulcan (KB)
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(Source: Email from Adrian C. Stocker, last 1-4 ADA Bn commander at Wackernheim)
First off, I am very impressed with your website, Kudos for all your hard work and effort! I was looking at the various Division pages when I came across an error in the 8th ID page under the Aviation section. Specifically: "Aviation Company, 8th Inf Div / 1973-78"
The 3rd picture shows a M-163 Vulcan and is labeled incorrectly as belonging to 2nd Battalion, 59th ADA ... I can see how one might think that when looking at the left bumper in the picture .. however, the "2" on the bumper is actually a worn away "D". The actual unit is the 1st Battalion, 59th ADA "Red Lions" .... before it was reflagged as 5-3 ADA "Sun Dragons" and finally 1-4 ADA "By Daring Deeds".
8th ID bumper codes for ADA during the Cold War were .... "8 1ADA59" and later .... "8 5ADA3" There was no "I" (to indicate Infantry Division) after the "8" because no other similar numbered division , i.e. Armored Division was on active duty as was the case with Army Division's number 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.
I was the last acting ADA Battalion Commander on Wackerheim ... I completed the final portion of the deactivation of 1-4 ADA (LTC Reid was reassigned to division HQs) and stood-up the first ever Air and Missile Detachment in the US Army in its place (AMD Detachment 1st Armor Division - "The Sentinels - We are the few who protect the many").
There has been an ADA unit on McCully Barracks (named after 1st Lt. William C. McCully, who received the DSC posthumously WWII, member of 2nd Armored Division) ever since the US took possession of the Kaserne. My Detachment was too small to assume the former BN Headquarters, but I was reminded by many ADA "grey beards" not to give up the building as it had been in ADA hands for over 50 years. So a unit of 24 personnel occupied both a German style Barracks and a Battalion Headquarters for my duration as the Commander. |
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"D" Troop, 3rd Squadron, 8th Cavalry Pocket Patch |
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| (Source: Email from Paul Cleary, D 3/8 Cav, 1964-1966) |
The 8th AVN BN web site was a nice find, good reading. I arrived at APO 111 Bad Kreuzach on or about April 8 1964, the unit then was B Co, 8th Avn Bn. HHC, A Co, and possibly C Co were at Finthen AAF.
We were the Buffaloes with buffaloes stenciled on white towels an the end of our bunks. The company motto was "The thundering herd, to the sound of the guns." I believe the 1st shirt was named Felton. I remember two pilots one was Kris Kristofferson and the other was a warrant named Randall. They used to sing together in gasthauses on week ends.
Some of the enlisted named Weaver, Hackett, West and Dozier. They were a great bunch. During my short stay at Rose Bks we moved from the barracks at the back gate to ones by the front gate, we went from bays to four man rooms.
About this time the 8th cav was getting the newer UH-1s and were looking for a few more men. A group of us were tagged to go. I was flown to Coleman Bks, Mannheim in an L-20 Otter. Reporting to D Troop, 3/8 Cav was different. The unit was up on border patrol. We soon learned the Squadron always needed detail people fence painting, grass mowing, police call, guard duty, C.Q. runner, the list never ended. The squadron area was the opposite corner of the base from the stockade, near what I think was the Sandhofen gate. The helipad was across the street from the barracks. The PSP pads were built by the crew chiefs and mechs just before we got there, they had canvas under them to stop the growth of weeds under the PSP.
When the unit returned with the aircraft more normal life returned. I remember the orderly room had a glass case with a stuffed mongoose with a corbra wrapped around it. We had about 8 UH-1B's, 3 or 4 H-13's and a very loud H-34. While I was there we totaled two aircraft: an H-13 on take off right on our own ramp, and a UH-1 on field maneuvers flying it into a hillside, no injuries in either adventure.
We had a line shack with cartoon creatures painted on the sides. The UH-1's mostly had quad M60's on the side; we had two Hueys with the 24 rocket tubes on each side.
I can recall lots of alerts, some field duty, a trip for a NATO maneuver to Denmark.
In 1965 the Army set up a school to transition pilots from fixed wing qual to rotary wing. Each Cav outfit in Germany sent 2 UH-1's to the school in Stuttgart. I was TDY for 6 mos, we stayed at Nelligen Bks. The school was such a success that they ran a second school at Schleissheim outside of Munich.
I was getting short then and returned to Coleman to start to outprocess. Some of the great people I remember from the Cav were CWO Hatter, Capt Brown, Capt Madden, First Sergeant Trapp, John Heaton, Luce, Nelson, Cox, Ward, Snyder, King, Rinehart. I ETS'ed April 1966.
Eleven years later for some strange reason I joined MA NG. and retired April 2002 age sixty. Some of my best memories involve UH-1's, Army aviation and good comrades. ABOVE THE BEST
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
In 1965 the war in Viet Nam placed a tremendous need upon the Army for qualified rotary wing aviators. To relieve this possible shortage USAREUR started a transition school to train fixed wing pilots into qualified helicopter pilots. A group of qualified instructor pilots were assembled, D Trp 3/8 Cav and every Sky Cav D Trp in USAREUR was to send (2) UH-1's with crew chiefs to the school at Stuggart AAF. It was good duty for the crew chiefs, we had no extra duties, no guard duty, no KP nothing but take care of the helicopters. We were housed at Nelligen Bks, we had a barracks orderly, a bus with a driver to take us to the air field and were on separate rations, because the flight schedule often conflicted with the mess hall serving times.
If I remember correctly we flew 4 hours in the morning, 4 hours after noon and twice a week 4 hours night. Most of the UH-1's had their unit crests painted on the cargo doors. The one from the 8th Cav had the HONOR AND COURAGE crest, We knew we were flying with the best pilots in Germany at the time. Not all the fixed wing pilots thought this was an improvement for them, this made for some interesting conversations in the cockpit, auto rotations became normal, (the fixed wing guys did seem to like those). I believe a Major Fiore was in charge, I can't remember the maintenance officer's name, but the both of those guys treaded the crew chiefs great. The program went so well they were setting another one up in Schleissheim near Munich the next year. I helped set up a few auto rotation lanes, with used tires but was too short to stay with the school and returned to Coleman bks to start to out presses.
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1. H-34 Coleman Bks (KB)
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2. UH-1B (KB)
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3. Line Shack (KB)
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4. OH-13 (KB) |

5. Crew chief Paul Cleary (KB) |

6. UH-1B equipped with rockets (KB) |
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7. UH-1B (KB) |

8. Ground guide (KB) |

9. Call it a day (KB) |
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| 8th
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Name Change
The
8th Attack Helicopter Battalion was
redesignated as 2nd Battalion, 4th Aviation in August 1987 as part
of the implementation of the regimental system for all the subordinate
elements of the division's 4th Brigade.
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